FAQ

We’ve had a great response to our project and as a result have fielded many questions from inquisitive minds! Here are the answers to several of those questions. I’ll leave this article on the homepage for a while before moving it over to the FAQ page. If you have any other questions please feel free comment at the bottom of this post or email us! hydroicesolar@gmail.com

Frequently Asked Questions

1) How does your engine compare to Stirling engines and steam turbines?
This is the question we get asked most often so we’ll answer it first! While all 3 methods have the ability to generate electricity from solar power, they each go about it in a slightly different way. As a result, each have their advantages and disadvantages.

Efficiency:
Both steam turbines and Stirling engines are known to be quite efficient, typically falling around the 40% efficiency range. We won’t know exactly where our HydroICE technology will fall until testing is complete, but we’ll be able to reach at least 15% efficiency with projections falling closer to 30%.

Manufacturing and cost:
Both steam turbines and stirling engines are extremely precise machines and as a result, we see that reflected in the high price that it costs to manufacture and purchase one. This makes them economically feasible only for large industrial scale applications.

In the end, it all boils down to the cost-per-watt of electricity generated. Even if you had an engine that was 90% efficient, it would not be a wise investment if the installed system cost you $1,000/Watt. Of course that is an absurd scenario, but it makes the issue very clear. Cost is what has prevented solar from becoming widely implemented and this is where HydroICE triumphs. Because we can take a very cheap engine and operate it for a low cost, we are able to make up for our lower efficiencies and provide a cost-effective way to generate electricity from solar power.

Safety:
People often overlook this factor, but safety is A MAJOR problem associated with steam turbines and engines. Each of these devices require high-pressure steam that must be created outside of the system in a boiler before being injected into the device. Steam can be extremely deadly at these pressures and the slightest problem or leak could result in fatalities. This is an acceptable hazard when utilized at the utility level by trained professionals, but NOT among homes, business, and communities. Using the HydroICE method, the required steam is generated inside the engine where the work is being done. This eliminates the extreme hazard and makes it safe for use anywhere.

2) How is this any different from a standard piston steam engine?
Modern steam engines face the same safety issue that we mentioned in the previous question: They require externally produced steam and this greatly increases the potential for failure or a problem.

3) Why bother using the oil? Why not just heat the engine and make steam that way?
People have actually done that in the past, but problems with contamination and engine durability arise. Steam is the gas form of water, and water accelerates oxidation (rust). With the introduction of oil as the heat carrier, not only is this problem solved, but so is the problem of keeping the engine well oiled and operational!

4) If your passion is making this technology available to everybody, why the patent?
It’s no secret that progressive technologies have been stuck on a shelf and hidden because they have the disruptive power to change the path of the market. We realize that, and we want to avoid having that happen. We didn’t patent this to protect our greed and collect every penny possible from our innovation, we patented this to protect the technology. With the patent we have ultimate control in making sure that it DOES reach the marketplace and ultimately your hands.

5) What happens at night when the sun goes down?
This is a common question of all solar products and we’re no exception. Possibilities include: battery storage, thermal storage (storing excess hot oil to continue running at night, probably not very cost-effective for home applications), or a secondary heating capacity (heat the oil using a natural gas, wood, or other similar burner). We’ll continue this exploration as we further develop the system.

6) Can you run a car or motorcycle with this technology?
This is a bit further down the road but it’s definitely possible!

7) Would you mind explaining what steam turbines and Stirling engines are?
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the working principle behind each device, scroll down to the bottom of this page for quick explanation on each one.

a) Standard steam engine
This machine works by creating steam in a boiler and then injecting high-pressure steam into the engine cylinder, moving the piston. A special valve is then moved, allowing for the high-pressure steam to push on the back side of the cylinder, returning it to it’s original position and exhausting the used steam out into the air. This is why old steam engines needed to fill up with water at the station!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_engine

b) Stirling engines
Created by Robert Stirling, this is a closed-cycle air engine that is currently being used in some industrial solar applications. It operates by heating a gas inside of cylinder and as it expands, the piston is moved. There is no combustion that takes place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine

c) Steam turbines
88% of The United States’ electricity is generated using modern steam turbines, they can be found in both coal and nuclear power plants. Very simply put, these work with a “waterwheel” principle. Steam is injected into the blades of the turbine which causes it to turn, much like you would see happening with a water wheel down on the stream.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_turbine

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5 thoughts on “FAQ

  1. Why don’t you use open source licensing? You can still make you’re profitable , the technology will be available in the whole world.

    Please forget IP, embrace open source!!

  2. I have not tried this and your idea is great! The problem I see is that when the water is present and condensing in the crankcase, bearing failure will be quick. If you have ever seen oil and water mix in a car engine you realize quickly that seperating the two will be an issue. Maybe silicone oil is an option. I know it can be heated to pretty high temps and not lose it’s properties. It may realease moisture better. Just a thought. Good luck on your invention guys! I’ll be watching your progress.
    Rick Davis
    Phoenix, AZ

  3. Dear Sirs:

    The idea is great.
    Thank you for the “open-ness” of the project, millions of Kudu’s to you.

    I wonder why you did not use a Hot-Plate. A Hot-plate being a simple piece of metal with hot oil on one side to heat it. This would serve as a your ‘hot Steam Flasher’ without mixing the oil and steam. The solution seams simple, and effective. I was wondering why you dropped this obvious solution? (Assuming you there is a reason you did not use it).

    My brother and I have been tossing ideas around for ages, and thought we had come up with just about everything; But injecting hot oil, and water to produce stream is not one we came up with. Again Kudus, for your ingenuity.

    One piece that we can add to you project is the Wankel engine. An engine built from a Mazda rotary engine would offer several advantages:

    1) Less mechanical loss due to moving parts, which will make the engine more durable
    2) It comes with 2 spark plugs in the burning chamber (one for oil, and one for water?).
    3) it is designed to run with oil in the “Cylinders” as lubrication.
    4) modifications will be easier as the “ports” are simple holes on the side walls, and require no values.
    5) The circular motion of the engine will create an natural centrifugal oil-steam separator

    The win Win WIN situation calls for more study….

    Thought I would pass the idea on….

    Jerry (& Jay) Westrick

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